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    I recently added a warning to 6 seperate posts by new member Tony Bailey in which he is advertising a considerable amount of expensive camera equipment.

    Tony has quite rightly pointed out that similar ads, also from new members, have recently passed without comment and I must admit that maybe I haven't done my job as Moderator as thoroughly as I should.

    I wish to make it clear that I have no additional concerns about Tony as a seller than I have for any other sellers who advertise on this site.

    But I do wish to reiterate that there is an element of risk when buying equipment from an unknown seller, even from established and long serving members of the forum.

    Having said that, I'm not aware of any members having problems so far and, indeed, I purchased an E3 from a member on E-System User in what turned out to be a nice, smooth transaction.

    I wish Tony, and all other sellers, success in re-homing their unwanted equipment but, equally, I urge all potential buyers to exercise caution and at least be aware of the potential risks associated with this type of transaction.
    View my ebook, The Light Fantastic, at: http://store.blurb.co.uk/ebooks/3026...ight-fantastic

    John

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    Well said John - to not pass commentwould be faiuling in your job and we all appreciate what you do. No reflection on Tony at all but all online transactions carrt some element of risk and you reminding us of this is a valuable service. Thanks.

    I also wish Tony and his buyers successful transactions. I just wish I could afford the ZD150 f2 right now !

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      John,

      Thank you for adding the "Sticky" and noting that I may not be the "predator" that those warnings below my post seem to reflect.

      You're a Gentleman.

      Kind Regards,
      Tony
      Last edited by TonyBailey; 29th September 2008, 01:00 AM. Reason: Correcting a Spelling mistake.....

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        Originally posted by TonyBailey View Post
        John,

        Thank you for adding the "Sticky" and noting that I may not be the "predator" that those warnings below my post seem to reflect.

        You're a Gentleman.

        Kind Regards,
        Tony
        In defence of John, Tony was new to the site and had a huge amount to sell, so that quite rightly set off alarm bells.

        Ian
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          Hi John,

          Out of couriosity I arrived to the sticky. I am a newbie here, with lots of analogue not expensive gear, but with no urge to start selling. So I would like to know what would be a good taste selling, in terms of being not a newbie, and also regarding the amount of items. But I would like to remark again, not expensive gear, and good taste member performance.

          Thank you
          Ruben
          tv/telephone/old toaster. And a computer !

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            Originally posted by Ruben View Post
            Hi John,

            Out of couriosity I arrived to the sticky. I am a newbie here, with lots of analogue not expensive gear, but with no urge to start selling. So I would like to know what would be a good taste selling, in terms of being not a newbie, and also regarding the amount of items. But I would like to remark again, not expensive gear, and good taste member performance.

            Thank you
            Ruben
            I think we are more relaxed about things now than we used to be. Although you are new, you have made a number of posts and as long as buyers cover themselves and sellers don't do something unusual, transactions should be problem-free. In fact I can't recall any serious issues with such transactions between forum members here.

            Ian
            Founder/editor
            Four Thirds User (http://fourthirds-user.com)
            Digital Photography Now (http://dpnow.com)
            Olympus UK E-System User Group (http://e-group.uk.net)
            Olympus camera, lens, and accessory hire (http://e-group.uk.net/hire)
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              Hi Ruben,

              There will always be an element of risk when transacting on the Internet and the onus is really on the buyer to be cautious and exercise their own judgement. A newcomer selling a lot of very expensive equipment will always raise an eyebrow, but that doesn't mean they will be any less honest than a long standing member offering a modest amount for sale. This site provides the opportunity for buyers and sellers to match their needs and many have found it a valuable service. So far we have had no problems but it is important for users of the service to realize that they do so at their own risk.

              Sounds like you may have an interesting collection and you're weclome to advertize if you wish. Old lenses in particular have been given a new lease of life by their compatibility with Micro Four Thirds and are often in demand.

              Good luck.
              View my ebook, The Light Fantastic, at: http://store.blurb.co.uk/ebooks/3026...ight-fantastic

              John

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                I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be smarter for the seller to provide the item(s) then expect payment if the item is satisfactory, of course the risk just shifts to the first "provider." And I think that Paypal provides some of this protection - if you trust them.
                Tom
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                  Originally posted by slothead View Post
                  I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be smarter for the seller to provide the item(s) then expect payment if the item is satisfactory, of course the risk just shifts to the first "provider." And I think that Paypal provides some of this protection - if you trust them.
                  There is certainly no reason why the risk should always be with the purchaser, other than convention. This will always be a difficult issue, particularly when one of the parties is a relative new member of the forum. Buyers, who are sending money in trust that they will receive the goods, should always excercise care.
                  View my ebook, The Light Fantastic, at: http://store.blurb.co.uk/ebooks/3026...ight-fantastic

                  John

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                    All online transactions carry an element of risk, not just between members of fora such as this. I recently sent a large amount of money to an apparently reputable supplier in Germany which has simply failed to provide the goods and is currently refusing my requests for a refund. I certainly hope PayPal will provide some relief in this case.

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                      Originally posted by Bear View Post
                      All online transactions carry an element of risk, not just between members of fora such as this. I recently sent a large amount of money to an apparently reputable supplier in Germany which has simply failed to provide the goods and is currently refusing my requests for a refund. I certainly hope PayPal will provide some relief in this case.
                      Is this the ongoing saga of the OMD?
                      Whar a pita if it is!

                      Paul
                      GH-3, OM-D, 7-14, 12-35, 35-100, 100-300, 25, 60 macro, 40-150 Pro.

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                        Hi Bear -

                        How frustrating. I'm sure PayPal will deal with the matter.
                        The supplier must realise this and could cost them a black mark!

                        Regards. Barr1e

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                          Yep the OM-D saga, for my m4/3rds kit I now have a Panasonic 20mm f1.7, an Olympus 45mm f1.8, an Olympus 40-150mm f4-5.6, an HLD6 grip, two spare batteries and an adaptor so I can mount all my Nikon lenses, the problem is I have nothing to use all this stuff with because I have no OM-D. Anyone care to loan me one?

                          As Barr1e says, I am sure PayPal will sort it all out but they are not quick and, in the meantime the funds to buy a replacement body are stuck in Germany. I bought from an Olympus authorised reseller too !

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                            I'm really sorry to hear of these troubles you're having, but I hope it's solved & you get an OM-D soon. Very frustrating, I'm sure (bl**dy aggravating too).
                            Ross
                            I fiddle with violins (when I'm not fiddling with a camera).
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                              It's unbelievable, you'd think that buying from an Olympus authorized reseller would be safe. Have you reported the matter to Olympus?
                              View my ebook, The Light Fantastic, at: http://store.blurb.co.uk/ebooks/3026...ight-fantastic

                              John

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