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  • #31
    Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

    "I just wish Panasonic would break their association with Olympus, I really do not like their cameras and this has stemmed from my experiences with their SLR's back in my film days and I have seen nothing from them yet that has changed my mind. Every Olympus I have seen, digital that is, are noisy, slow, with a lot of minor problems. I think Panasonic has the ability to make fantastic DSLR's if they would just get rid of Olympus's influence. I know that Panasonic has come up with a new type of sensor, and maybe we will see it on future DSLR's. "
    Interesting - from what I've read Olympus did most of the design work on the LiveMOS sensor, and they got Panasonic to make it.
    Noisy, slow, minor problems - presume you are talking about 4/3 DSLRs.
    Relatively noisy at high ISO, but that is history now - the 410 &510 are state of the art with similar Nikon/Canon offerings. Slow? Frames per second - relatively - Olympus SHQ files are much bigger jpegs than C or N offer, so of course the competition look faster because they compress their data more. An SHQ Olympus file is virtually as good as a RAW file. Problems? Sort of like the flagship Canon EOS 1D AF problems? Or the Nikon back-focus and banding problems? Cant recall any such operational issues with Olympus DSLRs. Basically without Olympus, Panasonic wouldnt be in the DSLR market in any sort of meaningful way - Leica glass isnt magical and Zuiko designs can easily match or better them.

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    • #32
      Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

      "]After reading your post, I see why you were so defensive with Olympus, you obviously use their cameras. "

      After reading *your* posts I can see why you are so defensive about Panasonic because you obviously use their cameras.
      Isn't that a bit insulting to Ian - you obviously imply he is deliberately biased (ie anti-Panasonic) which I certainly donot detect, while you are openly disparaging of Olympus on grounds that you dont like them for flimsy reasons at best. Oh, and no, I am not anti-panasonic - I think they make some great cameras and I trust that the L-10 will do well for them. In fact I would hope that they may have the guts to try doing an interchangable lens 4/3 camera with an EVF instead of an reflex mirror. They have showed they aren't afraid of some niche designs that bigger players like Olympus, Canon, Nikon don't want to try.

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      • #33
        Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

        Originally posted by Bear740 View Post
        After reading your post, I see why you were so defensive with Olympus, you obviously use their cameras. I am not completely brand conscience, I do have Panasonics because I like how they work, the craftsmanship of the cameras and the wonderful Leica lenses and the sharpness of the pics I get from them. I never have been that much on noise because as you said you can shoot raw and I have never had any problems taking out most of the noise. I am curious, I got the email sent to me and did all it asked and signed up and registered, it knows me when I put my name and password in. Did I miss something?
        No - looks like you are registered successfully

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        • #34
          Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

          Originally posted by wolfie View Post
          Interesting - from what I've read Olympus did most of the design work on the LiveMOS sensor, and they got Panasonic to make it.
          Noisy, slow, minor problems - presume you are talking about 4/3 DSLRs.
          Relatively noisy at high ISO, but that is history now - the 410 &510 are state of the art with similar Nikon/Canon offerings. Slow? Frames per second - relatively - Olympus SHQ files are much bigger jpegs than C or N offer, so of course the competition look faster because they compress their data more. An SHQ Olympus file is virtually as good as a RAW file. Problems? Sort of like the flagship Canon EOS 1D AF problems? Or the Nikon back-focus and banding problems? Cant recall any such operational issues with Olympus DSLRs. Basically without Olympus, Panasonic wouldnt be in the DSLR market in any sort of meaningful way - Leica glass isnt magical and Zuiko designs can easily match or better them.
          Mmmmmmmm.... Panasonic developed the NMos technology for other applications, both actual and potential. This side of the Matsushita corporation is not directly linked to the Lumix division, but of course the communicate. It was clear that the NMos sensor technology they had developed was ideal for DSLRs. I prefer to think that Panasonic and Olympus worked together on developing the Four Thirds sensors. I believe Panasonic could develop their own DSLR 100% but it would take several years so working with Olympus, just as Samsung has with Pentax and Fujifilm with Nikon, is the obvious way forwards. I feel the Olympus/Panasonic partnership is the deepest and most productive and innovative of these. It's a potentially powerful combination and it's early days yet.

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          • #35
            Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

            Originally posted by wolfie View Post
            "]After reading your post, I see why you were so defensive with Olympus, you obviously use their cameras. "

            After reading *your* posts I can see why you are so defensive about Panasonic because you obviously use their cameras.
            Isn't that a bit insulting to Ian - you obviously imply he is deliberately biased (ie anti-Panasonic) which I certainly donot detect, while you are openly disparaging of Olympus on grounds that you dont like them for flimsy reasons at best. Oh, and no, I am not anti-panasonic - I think they make some great cameras and I trust that the L-10 will do well for them. In fact I would hope that they may have the guts to try doing an interchangable lens 4/3 camera with an EVF instead of an reflex mirror. They have showed they aren't afraid of some niche designs that bigger players like Olympus, Canon, Nikon don't want to try.
            Let's not get too stuck on this - I was not insulted and for the record, I think Panasonic is an amazing company. I have been very fortunate in being able to tour their facilities in Japan as their guest back in 2005. Olympus has found a remarkable partner.

            I was curious about some of the statements Bear740 made and wanted to clarify things, which I think I managed to do and I think he appreciated this too. Everything's cool

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