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  • Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

    This is where you can find camera image samples from our ongoing Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review, starting with ISO range samples.

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  • #2
    Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

    The noise levels seem remarkably good at the higher ISO settings, in spite of more and presumably smaller pixels than the Panasonic predecessor (I'm assuming that these images were not washed through any other NR software). Moore's Law seems to hold (at least for now) for digital sensors as well as for computers. I guess a digital sensor and it's accompanying image processing engine are a specialized kind of computer, so this makes sense at some level.

    What do you think, in five more years when ISO 6400 digital images are as clean as a whistle and digital cameras are capable of making beautiful images in moonlight alone, the manufacturers will stop adding built-in flashes to them?

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    • #3
      Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

      Originally posted by dogberry View Post
      The noise levels seem remarkably good at the higher ISO settings, in spite of more and presumably smaller pixels than the Panasonic predecessor (I'm assuming that these images were not washed through any other NR software). Moore's Law seems to hold (at least for now) for digital sensors as well as for computers. I guess a digital sensor and it's accompanying image processing engine are a specialized kind of computer, so this makes sense at some level.

      What do you think, in five more years when ISO 6400 digital images are as clean as a whistle and digital cameras are capable of making beautiful images in moonlight alone, the manufacturers will stop adding built-in flashes to them?
      Manufacturers are now finding out they can smooth the noise out very effectively but there is a cost in definition.

      The images are straight out of the camera; only a copyright notice has been added to the metadata - the image data itself is unchanged.

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      • #4
        Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

        I zoomed on the images and saw noise in the sky at ISO 400, granted better than most Panasonic's to date. Not that it is bad, in fact it is as good as a Canon ProRebel XTi. I was really hoping for almost no noise at ISO 400 and very little at ISO 800, but of course this is zooming in to the picture which will not show up on the normal print, and the pro reviewers will think this is a wonderful camera for Panasonic's second try at a DSLR. If I was in the market for a DSLR, I would definetly buy this camera over the Canon, Nikon and Pentax. I just wish Panasonic would break their association with Olympus, I really do not like their cameras and this has stemmed from my experiences with their SLR's back in my film days and I have seen nothing from them yet that has changed my mind. Every Olympus I have seen, digital that is, are noisy, slow, with a lot of minor problems. I think Panasonic has the ability to make fantastic DSLR's if they would just get rid of Olympus's influence. I know that Panasonic has come up with a new type of sensor, and maybe we will see it on future DSLR's. As a old retired Professional, I have grown tired of lugging around lots of lenses and that is why I opted for the FZ30. Yet, this new L10 may make me think about it pretty strongly, it is a beautiful camera and seems to take care of the noise problem pretty well as compared to its competition. I think Panasonic has a big winner on it's hands and will seriously challenge Canon, Nikon for market share. I can tell you one thing if this L10 works similar to my FZ30, then it is a much easier camera to use than either the Canon or Nikon's. My personal opinion of course.

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        • #5
          Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

          Hello Ian,

          Have you noticed that ISO 400 points to the same file as ISO 800 !?
          It is probably a mistake ...

          Thanks
          Christophe

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          • #6
            Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

            Originally posted by youpi View Post
            Hello Ian,

            Have you noticed that ISO 400 points to the same file as ISO 800 !?
            It is probably a mistake ...

            Thanks
            Christophe
            Ah - sorry, will have a look now - it was very late

            Ian

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            • #7
              Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

              Originally posted by Bear740 View Post
              I zoomed on the images and saw noise in the sky at ISO 400, granted better than most Panasonic's to date. Not that it is bad, in fact it is as good as a Canon ProRebel XTi. I was really hoping for almost no noise at ISO 400 and very little at ISO 800, but of course this is zooming in to the picture which will not show up on the normal print, and the pro reviewers will think this is a wonderful camera for Panasonic's second try at a DSLR. If I was in the market for a DSLR, I would definetly buy this camera over the Canon, Nikon and Pentax. I just wish Panasonic would break their association with Olympus, I really do not like their cameras and this has stemmed from my experiences with their SLR's back in my film days and I have seen nothing from them yet that has changed my mind. Every Olympus I have seen, digital that is, are noisy, slow, with a lot of minor problems. I think Panasonic has the ability to make fantastic DSLR's if they would just get rid of Olympus's influence. I know that Panasonic has come up with a new type of sensor, and maybe we will see it on future DSLR's. As a old retired Professional, I have grown tired of lugging around lots of lenses and that is why I opted for the FZ30. Yet, this new L10 may make me think about it pretty strongly, it is a beautiful camera and seems to take care of the noise problem pretty well as compared to its competition. I think Panasonic has a big winner on it's hands and will seriously challenge Canon, Nikon for market share. I can tell you one thing if this L10 works similar to my FZ30, then it is a much easier camera to use than either the Canon or Nikon's. My personal opinion of course.
              Hi Bear - I hope you don't mind me saying so, but your opinions (which are very interesting) are, well, how can I put it - rather contradictory? You wish Panasonic wasn't influenced by Olympus (implying that they are - again I'm not sure that's correct) but you think the L10 is a winner

              The noise issue you speak of has a lot to do with image processing and Panasonic beats its own path with Venus Engine (III in the case of L10).

              I don't think Olympus uses the Panasonic engine - the characteristics of the L10 and E-510 that I compared would certainly suggest this.

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              • #8
                Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

                Well I'm not saying but I'm thinking this bodes very well for a new sensor that may be in another soon to be released camera....hhmmmm??

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                • #9
                  Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

                  Originally posted by Changeling View Post
                  Well I'm not saying but I'm thinking this bodes very well for a new sensor that may be in another soon to be released camera....hhmmmm??
                  Having the L10 and E-3 has been very illuminating, in more way than one. It demonstrates that the E-410 and E-510 have a tendency to produce JPEGs with darker lowlights. They also under expose by around half a stop compared to the newbies.

                  I'm still looking at the noise issue, but so far I feel there is a slight improvement at high ISOs and E-3 3200 ISO is certainly not a waste of time.

                  So, a slight high ISO noise improvement plus improved shadows does add up to a promising impression so far.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

                    Originally posted by Ian View Post

                    So, a slight high ISO noise improvement plus improved shadows does add up to a promising impression so far.

                    Ian
                    Ian,

                    I just shot some pictures on a independent movie production set at night using the E-510. I used ISO 1600 with a 25mm f/1.4 lens. The pictures were good but could have been great if the camera had just a bit more control of chroma noise and didn't band. So if you're saying that the new sensor and electronics in the L10 and E-3 are better than the Live MOS in the E-410/510, then it would be good news indeed.

                    George

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                    • #11
                      Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

                      You just can't please everyone - my ISO samples were described by one unsatisfied punter on dpreview: "These are also some pretty lousy photos for "test shots", anyway! "

                      There is a gentleman's agreement that webmasters don't post about their site content on the dpreview forum, so I can't really respond there, but for what it's worth, I thought these shots did a reasonable multi-purpose job as they included highlights, lots of shade and mid-tones, fine details, plus blue sky - all in one shot.

                      Anyway - more will be added today, including back to back comparisons with the E-510.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

                        Hi Ian,

                        asaik them, the dpreview posters like to talk a lot - to put it politely.

                        however, what i am so often missing are high iso test shots under real conditions, i.e. in a dark pub, on the street at night, or just normally lit interior. one of the first things i noticed with dslrs is that there is almost no noise when you shoot high iso in daylight. later then this was clear to me, because the noise is actually a ratio which only shows up against the poorly exposed shadows. these shadows are only available in low light - i have no scientific explanation, but that is my experience.

                        for that exact reason i like the reviews on camerlabs, because although they call the daylight shots "real life noise comparison" they also inlcude high iso shots under dark conditions in the gallery. no idea why they don't put more of them in "real life noise comparison". i know how noise looks like, and noise in daylight is not the one i am concerned about.

                        oly talked about improving shadow noise. sounded good. is it true?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

                          Hi Ian,

                          Thanks for posting these samples. Low contrast details seem to be holding up quite well at higher ISOs. I would really appreciate a series that compares standard with low noise reduction settings. Also, if you have any other 4/3 camera, a shot of the same scene taken same time with another camera might help to compare the image quality of the L10.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

                            Originally posted by Viztyger View Post
                            Hi Ian,

                            Thanks for posting these samples. Low contrast details seem to be holding up quite well at higher ISOs. I would really appreciate a series that compares standard with low noise reduction settings. Also, if you have any other 4/3 camera, a shot of the same scene taken same time with another camera might help to compare the image quality of the L10.
                            Will do - comparison with an E-510 will be coming later.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 review image samples

                              Hi Ian,
                              Thanks for the great works.
                              btw, iso 1600 shot from the L10 got the venus 3 engine signature all over it. reminds me of my LX2 (the smearing effect). Actualy, i think my E-330 1600 shot is better than this, could you confirm on this? oh and maybe you could post a shot from E-330/L1 for comparation too. Many Thanks.

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