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  • Hands on with the Lumix GF3

    I now have a Lumix GF3 to explore for a couple of weeks

    Any questions? Just post them here!

    Ian
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  • #2
    Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

    Does it feel significantly smaller than the GF2?
    ~Reggie

    Nikon D3s | D500 | Nikkor 300mm f/4 PF | Tamron 10-24 f/3.5-4.5 | 70-200 f/2.8 G2 | Sigma 50 f/1.4 Art | 500mm f/4 Sport

    Panasonic GX8 | GF3 | 20 f/1.7 II | 12-35 f/2.8

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    • #3
      Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

      Hello this is Marcel from the Netherlands.

      I've been using the GF3 (14/42 lens) for a week now.
      Is doesn't seem to produce very sharp images.

      What is your experience?

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      • #4
        Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

        The 14-42 is a budget lens, but I think it's a respectable performer. Can you provide any examples to demonstrate where the lens is not very sharp?

        Ian
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        • #5
          Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

          The photos seem look oke but dont really have a edgy area, a spot where focus is really dead on.
          I had big hope for face recognition. But maybe i'm just using the wrong settings.

          http://www.dutchdodo.com/P1000234.JPG
          http://www.dutchdodo.com/P1000229.JPG

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          • #6
            Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

            That second one looks pretty sharp to me, especially given the 1/13th shutter.
            ~Reggie

            Nikon D3s | D500 | Nikkor 300mm f/4 PF | Tamron 10-24 f/3.5-4.5 | 70-200 f/2.8 G2 | Sigma 50 f/1.4 Art | 500mm f/4 Sport

            Panasonic GX8 | GF3 | 20 f/1.7 II | 12-35 f/2.8

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            • #7
              Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

              Hello there, and thanks for the replies.

              I have to days to decide if i want to exchange the camera for an other model.

              I originally decided to go for a DSLR but i wanted something small.
              Don't know if i made the right choice.

              For me the options are to exchange for a GH2 or go for the Nikon D3100 because they all are round the same price. (Around 500 euro's).
              Another option is the trade up for an pancake-lens, since this will need need less light.

              I only have been using point and shoot before. These seem to produce sharper/edgy/higher contrast photos (maybe software sharpened)
              Therefore it is hard for me to compare the image quality to the result of an DSLR like the D3100.

              Can anyone give me some insight considering image quality and detail. Thanks in advance.

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              • #8
                Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

                The second photo looks very sharp to me as well, just as Reggie says. The camera seemed to focus on the girl's face. Some other items on the table are out of focus because they are simply outside the depth of field with the selected aperture (f/stop). The color and contrast look good to me too. What is it about the photo that doesn't please you?

                On the first photo, there appears to be a bit of motion blur, probably due to a slow shutter speed. I'm having more difficulty telling where the camera focused. The scene looks very dark, so I guessing that the problem is simply that there was too little light for a handheld photo without flash.

                I'm guessing that the compact-camera images are sharpened more than what you're getting from the GF-3. Sharpening makes an image look sharp, but the GF-3 images will have much more true detail. Is the contrast you're used to seeing also a product of noise and a limited dynamic range in the compact cameras? These may give the appearance of good contrast, but will not have the subtlety of color and detail of the GF-3. There are also settings in the GF-3 to increas contrast and sharpening if you prefer.

                - Hal -
                A Still Mind - Photography, Music, Meditation, Ministry - www.astillmind.net
                Olympus E-M5; Panasonic-Leica DG Summilux 25mm; Zuiko 12-60 SWD, 50-200 SWD; Sigma 105 Macro; Rokinon (Samyang) 7.5mm fisheye; Olympus 8/1.8 PRO fisheye; FL-50R; Giottos MT-8361 tripod with Gitzo GH2780QR ballhead.

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                • #9
                  Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

                  Nobody has picked up on the fact that these were taken at 1/20th and 1/13th second shutter speeds. These are very slow shutter speeds. There is lots of obvious subject movement that will not be countered by IS (that only corrects camera shake). Considering the conditions I think the sharpness is pretty good.

                  This is not a fair test of the lens or camera at all.

                  Ian
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                  • #10
                    Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

                    Thank you for the relevant shutter-speed remark.
                    Still i'm wondering if under the same conditions a G3 or Nikon D3100 would have performed better.

                    I often shoot in low light situations. For now i'm still considering trading up for
                    A) GF3 pancake-lens
                    B) G3
                    C) Nikon D3100

                    What would your advice be for someone living in the Netherlands + shooting lots of indoor images

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                    • #11
                      Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

                      The low-light performance of all of those cameras will be very similar. The choice of lens will make much more of a difference. As you noted, a large-aperture prime lens will work better in low light than a kit zoom. Any of these cameras with the right lens and the right settings (e.g. using a high ISO to avoid shutter speeds that are too slow) can produce good results, much better than a compact camera. So the choice really comes down to which style of camera suits your preferences and photography style. On this forum, we are obviously biased towards four-thirds and micro four-thirds. So most advice here would favor the G-3 or GF-3. Image quality of the two is identical, so the main differences are in the size and handling--the shape, presence or absence of a viewfinder, external controls, etc. The Nikon is a good entry-level SLR with a wide range of lenses and accessories. Its AF system may be better at tracking moving subjects (for action photography), but it is larger than the Panasonics and lacks the advantages of the excellent live view of micro four-thirds.

                      - Hal -
                      A Still Mind - Photography, Music, Meditation, Ministry - www.astillmind.net
                      Olympus E-M5; Panasonic-Leica DG Summilux 25mm; Zuiko 12-60 SWD, 50-200 SWD; Sigma 105 Macro; Rokinon (Samyang) 7.5mm fisheye; Olympus 8/1.8 PRO fisheye; FL-50R; Giottos MT-8361 tripod with Gitzo GH2780QR ballhead.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

                        Originally posted by dutchdodo View Post
                        Thank you for the relevant shutter-speed remark.
                        Still i'm wondering if under the same conditions a G3 or Nikon D3100 would have performed better.

                        I often shoot in low light situations. For now i'm still considering trading up for
                        A) GF3 pancake-lens
                        B) G3
                        C) Nikon D3100

                        What would your advice be for someone living in the Netherlands + shooting lots of indoor images
                        As Ian and Reggie mentioned these are slow shutter speeds when people are the subject. No matter how good the IS of any camera it won't do a thing about subject movement. You can get sharp pictures of people at these speeds but that relies on the subject remaining dead motionless, so improve your chances by shooting lots of frames. Also, you can still get camera shake even with IS if you wobble too much yourself; it's very effective but it's not magic! I once got a sharp picture at 1/8th second of a boy sitting, staring into a camp fire. It was the only sharp frame out of about 25, though!

                        I see you used ISO 800 for these. It makes sense to keep ISO as low as possible, except for situations like this when there is a big risk of subject blur. You could easily have selected ISO 1600 or even 3200 and given yourself a much better chance of a sharp picture.

                        When shooting similar pictures with your compact, did you use the same sort of settings, or did you use flash?

                        To conclude, non of the cameras you mention have any real advantages over the others from a pure technical point of view in this type of situation, it's more about handling and which one best suits you. A pancake lens would definitely help - the 20mm f1.7 would have given a shutter speed of about 1/100th of a second instead of 1/20th and that's a huge difference!
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                        • #13
                          Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

                          Originally posted by Ian View Post
                          Nobody has picked up on the fact that these were taken at 1/20th and 1/13th second shutter speeds. These are very slow shutter speeds. There is lots of obvious subject movement that will not be countered by IS (that only corrects camera shake). Considering the conditions I think the sharpness is pretty good.

                          This is not a fair test of the lens or camera at all.

                          Ian
                          I did, and said so.

                          You also have to realize that you have a more shallow DoF with the larger sensor (actually a result of the relative focal length of the lenses that you use with the larger sensors). This will be the case with any larger sensor camera, including that Nikon you are eyeing. Do some reading on depth of field, it will really help your photography.
                          ~Reggie

                          Nikon D3s | D500 | Nikkor 300mm f/4 PF | Tamron 10-24 f/3.5-4.5 | 70-200 f/2.8 G2 | Sigma 50 f/1.4 Art | 500mm f/4 Sport

                          Panasonic GX8 | GF3 | 20 f/1.7 II | 12-35 f/2.8

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                          • #14
                            Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

                            As you will have noticed by now, there is no 'magic bullet' that will give you what you want, in any situation.
                            it is down to the experience of the photographer more than camera gear in the ratio of 80% photographer 20% equipment
                            Unfortunately, for compact/Point and shoot cameras it is usually the reverse .
                            You can have the most expensive camera gear in the world, but if you don't know how to use it, it will be of no benefit to you.
                            Understanding the basic principles of light, aperture, shutter speed, ISO and DOF and their interaction, is essential to get the results that you want (or at least a compromise).
                            Something, those moving from compacts, usually struggle to get to grips with.
                            It can be a steep learning curve, but well worth it.
                            You will certainly get all the help you need on this and other similar forums, this one especially, is very friendly and full of advice based on vast experience.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Hands on with the Lumix GF3

                              I have just bought a GF3, am thrilled with it, but last night set it on the auto timer and now cannot exit it help please

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