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  • HELP! What would really make you unhappy?

    The Olympus solution for Four Thirds lens users has been promised but we don't know what it will be in any detail. I recently posted a poll for you to choose from a list of possible styles of solution. We could do with some more votes, incidentally!

    Anyway - here is a more direct question; what could Olympus possibly do (in a realistic sense) that you think would be a mistake and even possibly make you frustrated and annoyed?

    Remember, we're addressing the needs of photographers who have invested in Four Thirds lenses.

    No holds barred - just keep it polite!

    Ian
    Founder/editor
    Four Thirds User (http://fourthirds-user.com)
    Digital Photography Now (http://dpnow.com)
    Olympus UK E-System User Group (http://e-group.uk.net)
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  • #2
    Re: What would really make you unhappy?

    Well, they may drop the system and switch to something else.. oh wait...they did that already!

    They've dropped 4/3 line for so long, that most people left it and many shops are offering m4/3 gear only. Can it really be worse? Only thing I can think of is no support for older RAWs in newer versions of RAW-converters (but that would be more problem with Adobe and others, rather than Olympus).
    Regards, Pavel.

    E-1(x2) | ZD 14-45 | ZD 14-54 | ZD 40-150 Mk.1 | ZD 70-300 | FL-50 | Velbon Sherpa 750R
    M42(Pancolar 50/1.8, Pentacon 200/4)+ M42->4/3 reduction

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    • #3
      Re: What would really make you unhappy?

      Originally posted by T-Lama View Post
      Well, they may drop the system and switch to something else.. oh wait...they did that already!

      They've dropped 4/3 line for so long, that most people left it and many shops are offering m4/3 gear only. Can it really be worse? Only thing I can think of is no support for older RAWs in newer versions of RAW-converters (but that would be more problem with Adobe and others, rather than Olympus).
      Understandable but I am trying to focus on the camera that we are all expecting

      Ian
      Founder/editor
      Four Thirds User (http://fourthirds-user.com)
      Digital Photography Now (http://dpnow.com)
      Olympus UK E-System User Group (http://e-group.uk.net)
      Olympus camera, lens, and accessory hire (http://e-group.uk.net/hire)
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      • #4
        Re: What would really make you unhappy?

        Not have a fully articulated screen on the new camera.I miss that on my OMD ie for shooting in portrait using live view.
        All the best

        Andy

        E1,E5,E420,OM1(N),14-54,12-60SWD,7-14,50-200,50mm F2 macro,25mm pancake,EC14,Sigma 50-500,OM50mm(F1.8),OM28mm(f2.8),FL36,HLD4,HLD2,Epson P3000,Manfrotto 680b monopod,crap tripod,various filters/CF cards.


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        • #5
          Re: What would really make you unhappy?

          I'm not expecting anything, it's 5 years since Olympus got any of my money. My next camera could well be a FF Canon body to make use of my collection of OM primes.

          I'll see what's available for my HG and SHG glass if my 4/3 bodies die.
          It's the image that's important, not the tools used to make it.

          The Grumpy Snapper blog or follow me on Instagram.

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          • #6
            Re: What would really make you unhappy?

            Am I the only one that likes a top panel LCD? I suspect this won't happen on the new camera.:\:\:\
            All the best

            Andy

            E1,E5,E420,OM1(N),14-54,12-60SWD,7-14,50-200,50mm F2 macro,25mm pancake,EC14,Sigma 50-500,OM50mm(F1.8),OM28mm(f2.8),FL36,HLD4,HLD2,Epson P3000,Manfrotto 680b monopod,crap tripod,various filters/CF cards.


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            • #7
              Re: What would really make you unhappy?

              andym: Do you mean LCD like most of the top-line DSLRs have? I don't think they will implement that in any new camera, unless it is a "big pro-box" for 4/3 glass. I like that feature too, as I can set all the values and stuff without raising camera to the eye or looking on the back LCD.


              Ian: Thinking of a new camera coming, there is one thing that can really make me unhappy. It is the same thing that goes along with PENs and even OMD - too few direct controls (buttons, levers, rollers). Possibly the worst thing they could do is a full touch-screen control with only a shutter release.
              Regards, Pavel.

              E-1(x2) | ZD 14-45 | ZD 14-54 | ZD 40-150 Mk.1 | ZD 70-300 | FL-50 | Velbon Sherpa 750R
              M42(Pancolar 50/1.8, Pentacon 200/4)+ M42->4/3 reduction

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              • #8
                Re: What would really make you unhappy?

                I wouldn't mind a touch-screen control panel with just a shutter button and an on/off switch. My 4/3 bodies are set up as digital OM2 bodies and have been since I unpacked them, all I need is an on/off switch and a shutter release.
                It's the image that's important, not the tools used to make it.

                The Grumpy Snapper blog or follow me on Instagram.

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                • #9
                  Re: What would really make you unhappy?

                  I think the biggest thing that Olympus could do to annoy / frustrate their legacy 4/3 users would be to introduce a body that compromises the speed of focus for the lenses.

                  For myself, it's already too late. I'm going to buy Nikon for my next dSLR. Incidentally, I did pick up an e-pl1 to use as my everyday / snapshot camera recently
                  Regards,

                  Keith


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                  • #10
                    Re: What would really make you unhappy?

                    Just offering a "Sony LA-EA2" type Adapter would be tantamount to announcing the end of the Four Thirds E-System.

                    Every business knows that it is many times harder to win back a customer than it is to get a new one. Often the new customers are nowhere near as loyal as the existing ones. People are encouraged to "Switch" all manner of providers, so brand loyalty has become a thing of the past.

                    But they are in the market to sell new lenses and bodies, so providing any solution is something of a shot in the foot...

                    The best thing they can do is to break with tradition and tell their customers much much more of their developments and future products. Everyone inside the industry knows the vast majority of what's going on anyway, so keeping it all under wraps until a fixed date is just so passť...
                    Graham

                    Keep smiling, it gets folk wondering what you've been up to

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                    • #11
                      Re: What would really make you unhappy?

                      Honestly, I it is hard to think of a way that Olympus could be any worse to us now than what they have actually done to 43rds users since 2009.

                      Quite frankly, I don't really expect much from them in the upcoming months. Maybe a hybrid camera that sort of focuses 43rds lenses a little better or maybe stuffing the Sony sensor in an E-3/E-5 body with some minor tweaks. I am really not expecting or hoping for anything that is truly innovative, and I don't expect much in the way of improvements in video either. Whatever they release, I am sure that it will be overpriced when compared to the competition, but might make financial sense for the few of us left with 43rds lenses rather than switching systems. Or they may not introduce anything at all to help 43rds lens owners and just keep us in limbo for a few more years with more empty promises. Olympus is a very unpredictable company.

                      As it is, I have made peace with my Olympus cameras (E-520, E-3 & XZ-1), Zuiko Digital lenses (14-54 MkI, 50-200 MkI, 50mm F2 macro, 8mm fisheye & 25mm pancake), and accessories (EC-14, EX-25 & two FL36R flashes). They were very well designed and were a good value during their time. I have enjoyed using this gear, and without a doubt, I have "invested" more in Olympus than any other film or digital company. For greater than 95% of the time, my Olympus gear is not limiting. However, I am concerned about longer term support and repairs in the United States, although used gear is available from several reputable sources (Adorama, B&H & KEH). So no urgency to switch to another system.

                      Other than possibly a hybrid, I will not buy into micro 43rds because I doubt that Olympus and Panasonic will continue to market m43rds cameras in the future. I won't get fooled again (all due respects to Pete Townshend). As for other mirror less cameras, I really like design of the Fuji XE-1, and I will keep my eye on them. I actually like "cropped" sensors, and I believe that the APS-C sensors will always be ahead of 43rds sensors. If I were to switch to Nikon or Canon, I would probably go with a cropped sensor DSLR rather than full frame.
                      Dan Lang

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                      • #12
                        Re: What would really make you unhappy?

                        To answer your question, I would really be unhappy if all that Olympus offers is a hybrid m43rds camera without a built-in viewfinder.

                        Ugh! I bet that is what they will do!
                        Dan Lang

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                        • #13
                          Re: What would really make you unhappy?

                          Hi Ian,

                          As a 4/3 user I would like to see Olympus come up with a 4/3 dedicated body in the line of an e-xx or e-xxx and must be weather sealed. The body should have no less than have a 16 mp process and shoot at a minimum of 7 frames for stills. The new body must be able to maximize the potential of zuiko digital lenses and must be usable with high ISO settings, at least 3200 if possible. LCD screen must have a swivel to allow users to shoot at any position. I would rather have an OVF than an EVF.

                          New affordable weather proof lenses to go with the new body are welcome.

                          Oops! That's what'll make me happy. I guess what will make me unhappy would be:
                          (1) Minor tweaks on the current 4/3 system having a little improvement or the same outcome and;
                          (2) An adaptor on a m4/3 promising that things will get better but actually will never happen.
                          Last edited by jpmiloilo; 12th August 2013, 10:07 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: What would really make you unhappy?

                            Originally posted by Dan in NC View Post
                            To answer your question, I would really be unhappy if all that Olympus offers is a hybrid m43rds camera without a built-in viewfinder.

                            Ugh! I bet that is what they will do!
                            You mean you don't want a Micro Four Thirds-based solution (which by logic would not have a reflex optical viewfinder)?

                            Ian
                            Founder/editor
                            Four Thirds User (http://fourthirds-user.com)
                            Digital Photography Now (http://dpnow.com)
                            Olympus UK E-System User Group (http://e-group.uk.net)
                            Olympus camera, lens, and accessory hire (http://e-group.uk.net/hire)
                            Twitter: www.twitter.com/ian_burley
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                            • #15
                              Re: What would really make you unhappy?

                              Originally posted by Ian View Post
                              You mean you don't want a Micro Four Thirds-based solution (which by logic would not have a reflex optical viewfinder)?

                              Ian
                              A micro 43rds camera without a built in electronic viewfinder would really make me mad, and I wouldn't be surprised if that is the long-awaited solution.
                              Dan Lang

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