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  • Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

    So we know something is in the pipeline - but what?

    The idea of a simple upgrade of the E-5 has now resurfaced in some rumour-discussions claiming to have 'contacts'. Put a better sensor in, tweak the AF and you're done. I don't buy this because Olympus has had at least a year to do just this (yes, the E-M5 is a whole year old now) and all the hints are that the 'solution' won't be here until the autumn (another six months or so from now).

    Olympus has also heavily hinted in the past that the 'solution' will be mirrorless, and by implication not a warmed over E-5. A Pentax K-01 style boxy DSLR body without a mirror and pentaprism is simply not acceptable. If the new camera is to be mirrorless it has to be Micro Four Thirds lens compatible as well as Four Thirds lens compatible.

    Now let's get something very straight - I would be quite happy with an updated E-5, but not thrilled. I feel the transmogrification of the E-5 to an E-7 should have happened last year at the latest.

    The prospect of a mirrorless camera that can shoot with both Micro Four Thirds and Four Thirds lenses and which can have the best of both worlds is just too good. I will no doubt like a conventional E-7 DSLR, but if that is all what we eventually get I doubt I won't feel it will be more of too little too late.

    At the same time, a Micro Four Thirds based 'solution' simply can't be allowed fail in the Four Thirds big lens handling and autofocus department. That's a big challenge for Olympus. The challenge might be too big and this could explain why rumours of a conventional E-7 are resurfacing.

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    Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

    So you don't believe the rumour about a medium format sensor and an ETR mount then.
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    • #3
      Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

      I tend to agree with Ian.

      With the mass exodus from FT to MFT and in some cases to other brands the user base has to have shrunk significantly and another FT model as a stop gap would have to be hideously expensive to not lose money. And I doubt Olympus want another black hole to pour money down after all there financial troubles.

      I may be wrong, but I think it will be something more innovative that will sell to all their customer base.
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        Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

        Originally posted by David M View Post
        So you don't believe the rumour about a medium format sensor and an ETR mount then.
        Nah - I'm waiting for the Gandolfi plate camera special edition. It's not Pen, it's a Quill.

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          Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

          Originally posted by Paul View Post
          I tend to agree with Ian.

          With the mass exodus from FT to MFT and in some cases to other brands the user base has to have shrunk significantly and another FT model as a stop gap would have to be hideously expensive to not lose money. And I doubt Olympus want another black hole to pour money down after all there financial troubles.

          I may be wrong, but I think it will be something more innovative that will sell to all their customer base.
          Oddly enough, the E-5 sold fewer numbers than the E-3 but the E-5 made a modest profit and the E-3 apparently didn't. A lot of costs that went into the E-3 were already written off when the E-5 was developed and less marketing went into the E-5. Depending on how many E-5n (instead of an E-7?) models might be proposed to sell, Olympus might not need to make that many to break even.

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            Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

            Well I think it will be a mirrorless with full 4/3rds lens ability to focus at least as quick as E5 or faster , as They at Olympus has already said in a statement a while ago that this is what they are working on, and I sincerely think that is what they are doing and possibly what they a field testing and possibly making the dies for production for.

            That is what I think, we can only wait and see.

            Dave

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            • #7
              Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

              The problem is that logic supports both avenues. I read in some threads some enthusiasm for an E-7 DSLR over a Micro Four Thirds-based solution.

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              • #8
                Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

                There have been several interviews with Olympus staff reported in various places which alude to a continuation of the 4/3rds line. If one wades through the inevitable doom and gloom that surrounds these interviews and looks at the statements themselves its fairly consistent. My interpretation...

                An E-5 replacement has been in the works since prior to the release of the O-MD and much of the tech for that camera was in the E-7, which had been considered for release prior to the O-MD, but then the scandel. The E-7 is not a "copy" of the E-5 but a new designed body. There will be an additional camera in the lower priced series to replace E4xx -6xx. There will be a new 4/3rds lens released as well.

                I speculate an E-7 pro grade with optical viewfinder priced a bit higher than the O-MD but a bit less than the present E-5, with new designed body more in size with the Pentax K-5 and with a next generation over the O-MD Sony sensor, released this fall. Also, a 4/3rds E-620 size camera with the same sensor but using the new Epson EVF, not weather proof or ruggedized. Further, the release of the long rumoured tele macro lens.

                And I, for one, will buy them...
                "Stef" E-620 and stuff...

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                  Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

                  Originally posted by Ian View Post
                  Nah - I'm waiting for the Gandolfi plate camera special edition. It's not Pen, it's a Quill.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

                    As I hope is clear - I have no privileged information!

                    Stef - I am fascinated about your description of a Four Thirds camera with an EVF. That would suggest a Sony Alpha SLT (single lens translucent) type of camera with a mirror, albeit a fixed one. That might be enough to make the camera more interesting than a conventional DSLR (no mirror slap, very fast sequential shooting possible, EVF flexibility, etc.) but would also mean no route to using Micro Four Thirds lenses.

                    With regards to the E-7 possibility, Olympus may well be looking at what Pentax is managing to achieve with their K-series (excepting the dreadful K-01).

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                    • #11
                      Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

                      Originally posted by Ian View Post
                      The problem is that logic supports both avenues. I read in some threads some enthusiasm for an E-7 DSLR over a Micro Four Thirds-based solution.

                      Ian
                      I was basing my views on the last interview, were the comment was when asked about 4/3rds, reply was that they were working on a solution to enable micro 4/rds to use and be able to perform as well as E5 with pro 4/3rds lens eg 90mm 250mm f2.8 also the problem of caf when shooting in multi shooting mode.

                      And that they would be working on Exx bodies. As far as I can remember from this interview as some was a little Vague.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

                        I sent a mail to Olympus and asked about an E-5 body with an EM-5 sensor and IBIS. This is their an exact quote of their answer:

                        "While appreciating your royalty, we are sorry to inform you that according to our Research and Development department, they don't have any plan to produce a successor of E-5 with OM-D technology near future. However, we are constantly making efforts to improve our products. Therefore, we are always grateful for customers' opinion."

                        So it looks like that they are looking fo another solution for our 4/3 lenses. I have learnt to like the EVF on my EM-5, so an mirrorless 4/3 woulb be ok, for me.

                        Regards

                        Bo

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                        • #13
                          Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

                          Olympus does have a bit of a dilemma with regards to FT. They are the only manufacturer left. If they produce a new E-x, they will only be selling to those who want to upgrade their FT body, and to the top-line (most expensive) one. Any new E-xx would be mostly purchased as an upgrade, unless Oly marketing can bring in new users. And any new E-xxx would most likely have to compete against the Canikon marketing machines for new users, as I think those existing E-xxx owners would probably be more likely to upgrade to an E-xx. But if they continue to only produce the top-line body, then FT, as oppposed to mFT, will just wither away.
                          Four-Thirds has been pretty much facing a "Perfect Storm" of obstacles the last few years.The concept is truly wonderful but unfortunately sometimes the best ideas just can't be heard over the shouting from the rest of the crowd (Canikon marketing).

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                          • #14
                            Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

                            The way I see it is Olympus see's FT as a fading system body wise the way forward is mFT and Olympus know this, and so that existing Oly users don't lose out they are trying to make FT bodies, both Canon and Nikon, have realised this and bringin g out mirrorless versions of there own as have sony, pentax etc.. at the moment Oly and Panny are leaders in this area. So If they can pull this off who know were Oly and Panny may end up.

                            I can't see us users losing out if they come up with a larger useable mft body, that can use all the pro grade lenses out there. The EM-5 is becomming quite popular amongst pro Photographers.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Good ol' E-3/5 replacement rumours

                              Originally posted by Ian View Post
                              Now let's get something very straight - I would be quite happy with an updated E-5, but not thrilled. I feel the transmogrification of the E-5 to an E-7 should have happened last year at the latest.
                              Understand and agree, but that's kind of what happened with the E-3 to E-5. Took them a long time to drop the sensor from the E-30 in to a E-3 and take a filter out.

                              Originally posted by Paul View Post
                              ...[A FT E-7] would have to be hideously expensive to not lose money. And I doubt Olympus want another black hole to pour money down after all there financial troubles.

                              I may be wrong, but I think it will be something more innovative that will sell to all their customer base.
                              Disagree, they could do it with practically no R&D, and the cost of materials wouldn't be all that high.

                              Originally posted by daveart View Post
                              Well I think it will be a mirrorless with full 4/3rds lens ability to focus at least as quick as E5 or faster , as They at Olympus has already said in a statement a while ago that this is what they are working on...
                              But more recent quotes seem to suggest, to me at least, that this isn't what they're going to do. Probably because their R&D hasn't yet given them a solution they're happy with.

                              Originally posted by Wilhelm View Post
                              I sent a mail to Olympus and asked about an E-5 body with an EM-5 sensor and IBIS. This is their an exact quote of their answer:

                              "While appreciating your royalty, we are sorry to inform you that according to our Research and Development department, they don't have any plan to produce a successor of E-5 with OM-D technology near future. However, we are constantly making efforts to improve our products. Therefore, we are always grateful for customers' opinion."

                              So it looks like that they are looking fo another solution for our 4/3 lenses. I have learnt to like the EVF on my EM-5, so an mirrorless 4/3 woulb be ok, for me.

                              Regards

                              Bo
                              Was this like a marketing person that sent it? I would find the validity of such a letter suspect.




                              I realize I am sort of raining on the parade, and probably come across as a nay sayer. But I think that the only hope there is for a m4/3 camera that fulfills the desires of users with SHG glass is going to be if they implement an adapter like Sony's LA-EA2. Perhaps the relationship with Sony will make exactly that happen. But recent quotes from Oly suggest to me that the E-7 is going to be a traditional SLR.

                              m4/3 is the future for Oly, but I think that this camera will be released to placate the users that spent a lot of money on SHG glass. I am not mad at all. I bought my 35-100 for less than $2,000, then sold it for $2k a few years later. The SHG glass is great, and people still pay top dollar for it. And you just can't fault Oly for going where they money is. Their job is to maximize shareholder value. If they can't make an adapter like Sony's yet, then I think we will see a traditional SLR, and it's going to be a bit warmed over. R&D in to something completely new for 4/3 would be a waste of cash, which Oly doesn't have a huge supply of.
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