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  • #16
    Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

    Originally posted by whatapicture View Post
    Ed

    These two pictures are pretty darn close, if my eyes don't deceive me, the GH2 pics look to have a whiskers more contrast and that seems to have increased the fine detail slightly, but its very very close.
    Pete
    Pete,

    As an experimented birder, with a very developed sense for details, I can tell you that there are actually and undisputable details in GH2 image that just do not exist in E-M5 sample, no matter how much somebody plays with contrast. And I invite you to do that to realize what I mean.

    Going further, it was almost a consensus some days ago, that E-M5 process the images in-camera in such a way that they appear more sharp and detailed than its sensor is really capable to deliver.

    It's always sad to inform that the "Emperor" is in fact walking naked, but somebody would do it at the end.

    Ed

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    • #17
      Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

      Originally posted by whatapicture View Post
      Ed

      These two pictures are pretty darn close, if my eyes don't deceive me, the GH2 pics look to have a whiskers more contrast and that seems to have increased the fine detail slightly, but its very very close.
      Pete
      Well, it seems the GH2 does have a tiny bit more resolution, which is only visible when you pixel-peep at 200% magnification. When you look att real world images at real world magnification however, the E-M5 tends to give the more pleasing results. I guess this is due to better processing, more aimed at real world images, and an important part of the famous "Olympus colour".
      Last edited by Stuttaton; 4th April 2012, 01:20 PM. Reason: added text

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      • #18
        Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

        Originally posted by Happy Birder View Post
        Since it is obvious you are not going to see what you don't want to see, and since I know that nobody can be rational with that kind of people, I'm not going to waste more time on you.

        But I have no problem to spend time in benefit of the majority of real world normal independent users who are visiting this forum, and as birder, very accustomed to discover and identify details accuracy differences.

        Here I show the details that I recommend anybody to at least compare in the above.

        DPR - RAW - in-studio - Base ISO - E-M5(200) vs GH2(160) details comparison

        E-M5(200) to the left, GH2(160) to the right


        Ed
        Hello Ed.
        I'm not a birder, but I am used to see detail in all the very fine lines my plotter has to produce in my architect drawings.

        I agree with you about the "old lady" wrinkles.
        But I also see the other way in the gray wool near the right eye, where the EM-5, to my eyes, performed better.

        In all recent cameras we can all see better details in one or another, and we can all prefer a different camera based in different analysis from the same review. And I have no problem in state that I do not have the best possible camera for the pictures I do, or need to do. But, to me, I have the best possible combination of size, cost, weight and results, considering the camera and lens I have to cary everyday.

        For instance, I'm one of those guys very interested in "indoors, base ISO, tripod mounted camera" pictures... Because sometimes I depend on that kind of pictures.

        And this is my one and only post in this very long talk about "mine is better that yours".

        I canīt remember a single mirrorless or DSLR that came out in the last years that we can call " bad camera!"

        Best regards,

        Rogerio

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        • #19
          Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

          Originally posted by rogerioi View Post
          Hello Ed.
          For instance, I'm one of those guys very interested in "indoors, base ISO, tripod mounted camera" pictures... Because sometimes I depend on that kind of pictures.

          Best regards,

          Rogerio
          Rogerio,

          Thanks for confirming the importance of "base ISO" comparisons.

          Fortunately, and as Ian confirmed even though the very hectic day he is having.

          We would be able to see GH2 and GX1 base ISO 160 samples as soon as he has the time to upload those already taken images.

          Ed

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          • #20
            Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

            I don't think there's much doubt, at least to my eye, the GH2 has more detail in these images. But I don't think the difference would be visible in a normal size image, whether viewed on a monitor or a print.

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            • #21
              Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

              By the way the below image of the "old lady" seems to belong to a bill-note.

              DPR - RAW - in-studio - Base ISO - E-M5(200) vs GH2(160) details comparison

              E-M5(200) to the left, GH2(160) to the right



              Could somebody tell which exactly note-bill is that?

              Thanks in advance,

              Ed

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              • #22
                Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

                Originally posted by Stuttaton View Post
                When you look att real world images at real world magnification however, the E-M5 tends to give the more pleasing results. I guess this is due to better processing, more aimed at real world images, and an important part of the famous "Olympus colour".
                And that's a key reason some people prefer the Olympus brand. On another forum, a fellow who has owned all the latest M4/3 offerings from Panasonic and Olympus concluded:

                "I always seem to have to fight with Pany images to get the color and WB right - even the raws can be tough in un-natural lighting. For me. I've obviously seen a LOT of great images that people have gotten with Pany cameras. I never had an issue with the GH2 in natural outdoor light but both the GH2 and G3 turned into wrestling matches for me to get good images taken in un-natural low light conditions. The Olys, even with the lesser sensor, seemed to pull this off a lot better, and with the IBIS, I was getting a higher hit rate for low light shots anyway. Given the improvements in the EM5, its an easy call for me. I didn't even like the G3 as much as my epl3 despite its obviously better sensor."

                Likewise, there are plenty of Pany fans that have equally compelling reasons they prefer Pany.

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                • #23
                  Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

                  Here you can see all visible part of that bill-note, we want to identify, to try to obtain a better image of it to really know which camera is reproducing better its actually details.



                  Ed

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                  • #24
                    Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

                    Originally posted by M4/3 View Post
                    And that's a key reason some people prefer the Olympus brand. On another forum, a fellow who has owned all the latest M4/3 offerings from Panasonic and Olympus concluded:

                    "I always seem to have to fight with Pany images to get the color and WB right - even the raws can be tough in un-natural lighting. For me. I've obviously seen a LOT of great images that people have gotten with Pany cameras. I never had an issue with the GH2 in natural outdoor light but both the GH2 and G3 turned into wrestling matches for me to get good images taken in un-natural low light conditions. The Olys, even with the lesser sensor, seemed to pull this off a lot better, and with the IBIS, I was getting a higher hit rate for low light shots anyway. Given the improvements in the EM5, its an easy call for me. I didn't even like the G3 as much as my epl3 despite its obviously better sensor."

                    Likewise, there are plenty of Pany fans that have equally compelling reasons they prefer Pany.

                    I would really prefer to keep doors closed to Fanboys of any brand, and just base our analysis in the objective information and conclusions that Ian's or others' real world samples could provide.

                    And about colors, sharpening, contrast, etc., etc. vs details-resolution, I would just repeat what I posted in the original thread today:

                    "Well, in my case and as an engineer and corporate executive for decades, I’m just more pragmatic and simple.

                    Since I know that even my 8 years old nephew could modify any image's sharpening, colors and contrast not needing more than his IPod. But I also know that nobody can make details appear where there are not.

                    So, I just need to know which equipment gives me the most and better details digging as deep as I have to find both compared cameras limits (as we use to do using extreme tests when we evaluate equipment that we are deciding to buy or not).

                    It's very simple in fact, at least in the real world, but I suppose it is more complex in "The Emperor's new clothes" world and its imaginary qualities’ parameters."

                    Ed
                    Last edited by Happy Birder; 4th April 2012, 06:14 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

                      If I ever get lost around Reims I'd be lost with the E-P3 6400 jpeg but I'd find my way with the E-M5 version..what a difference!

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                      • #26
                        Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

                        I think the improvements over the 12mp Olympus cameras is quite marked even though I prefer the older Olympus colours, but against the Panasonic GH2, its not so clear cut.

                        Pete

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                        • #27
                          Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

                          Hello everyone, just got home, but now have to do some extra work (all will be revealed tomorrow) but I think I have time to add the 160 ISO Panasonic files. I will add the rest tomorrow.

                          I hope I have something nice for Ed, at least!

                          Ian
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                          • #28
                            Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

                            I was able to bring a GH2 and an E-M5 with me today and, remarkably, I spotted a slightly dozy sparrow who hung around long enough for me to photograph him with both cameras and the SAME Panasonic 100-300 lens. It was cloudy and dull and so ISO 1600 was required. The aperture set on both cameras was f/6.3 and the shutter speed agreed by both cameras was 1/400th. On the E-M5 the JPEG noise filter was OFF and on the GH2 noise reduction was set to -2 (lowest setting). And this was the result:


                            GH2 uncropped frame


                            E-M5 uncropped frame


                            GH2 cropped 100%


                            E-M5 cropped 100%


                            There is more from today but that will have to wait until tomorrow - apart from the ISO 160 Panasonic files from last night that I promised - coming up...

                            Ian
                            Last edited by Ian; 4th April 2012, 10:14 PM. Reason: Corrected JPEG download urls swapped wrong way around and wrong 100% crops fixed
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                            • #29
                              Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

                              Ian,

                              It seems that full size JPEG samples are crossed, or it could be just the titles.

                              Ed

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                              • #30
                                Re: E-M5, E-P3, GH2, GX1 image quality comparisons

                                Yes - already fixed, sorry!

                                Ian
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