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  • #16
    Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

    ... another thought: Maybe you could use your 12-40 on an E-M5 as well and compare it to the E-M1 results? One picture with each camera at 12mm f/2.8 would be enough. (I can understand though if that's too much hassle - I'm very grateful for the examples you already posted.)
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    • #17
      Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

      Originally posted by Fraenzken View Post
      ... another thought: Maybe you could use your 12-40 on an E-M5 as well and compare it to the E-M1 results? One picture with each camera at 12mm f/2.8 would be enough. (I can understand though if that's too much hassle - I'm very grateful for the examples you already posted.)
      I'll see if I can do this - might be tomorrow now. Just done some shots in late afternoon sunshine and including the Panasonic X 12-35 (as well as a third 12-60 plus the 12-40).

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      • #18
        Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

        Originally posted by Ian View Post
        I'll see if I can do this - might be tomorrow now. Just done some shots in late afternoon sunshine and including the Panasonic X 12-35 (as well as a third 12-60 plus the 12-40).

        Ian
        That'd be awsome, thanks!
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        • #19
          Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

          What disturbs me a bit is that absolute identical critical focus is not guaranteed with any of these lenses (and I suspect with any lens and camera combination regardless of make).

          The centre looks in focus but by comparing out of focus details you can see when the two images are actually not identically in focus (and this is with the same aperture setting and focal length of course).

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          • #20
            Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

            By the way, the third 12-60 I used seems to be consistent from side to side. I will definitely send the first one off for servicing and might send the second too.

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            • #21
              Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

              This is a fascinating and useful thread. Thank you, Ian, for performing all of these comparison tests. And a special thanks to Fraenzken for demonstrating the distortion correction on the 12-40.

              I've only taken a quick look at some of the comparison photo so far. From said quick look, there does not seem to be much to choose between the two lenses as far as image quality. Closer inspection or other subjects/conditions may reveal bigger differences. But it seems that we're looking at two excellent lenses here. Chances are the choice between the two could be made based primarily on features (size, cost, zoom range, maximum aperture, focusing mechanism, etc.) rather than image quality.

              Still, I'm curious to find out more from additional testing (and taking a closer look at the tests when I have time).

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              • #22
                Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

                Interesting reading for sure. Would also be curious on how the 11-22 would be holding up at 12mm against the 12-40.

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                • #23
                  Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

                  Ian, thanks much for the comparison photos! You have now contributed more to my dilemma. LOL

                  Hal is is my breakdown
                  Size, 12-40
                  cost, 12-60 (since I already own it)
                  range, 12-60
                  Max Aperture, 12-40
                  focusing - NA as long as they both focus well
                  IQ - tied

                  So 2 - 2 if everything is weighted equal.
                  • But oh how much I'd enjoy the smaller size of the 12-40.
                  • Yet for personal usage I have a hard time justifying money spent for something similar that I already have, the 12-60 trumps.
                  • And then again, F/2.8 at 40mm in a zoom! Ya
                  • But the extra 20mm the 12-60 does oh so way much better! LOL


                  Ah the hell with it - I'm going to bed.

                  Thanks again Ian - the photos have been a big help!
                  Clint

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                  • #24
                    Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

                    HI Ian
                    Thank you so much for this - an interesting comparison. The 12-60 used to be my very favorite zoom, I sold it several years ago, but bought one back the other day - until the E-M1 arrives I've been shooting it on the E-P5 and still loving it (I bought back an 11-22 too).
                    I think what you're tests show is that the only real answer is to have both lenses (), but that the 12-60 will do well until the other arrives late in November.
                    Thanks again
                    All the best
                    Jonathan Slack

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                    • #25
                      Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

                      Given the apparent sample variation maybe the 12-60 is made by Canon.

                      I'm glad my sample is so good.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

                        Originally posted by David M View Post
                        Given the apparent sample variation maybe the 12-60 is made by Canon.

                        I'm glad my sample is so good.
                        Our samples are heavily used by our hire customers but as soon as any problems like these are spotted we immediately get them serviced.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

                          Been a while since I've poked my head up here. Some of the latest m4/3 gear makes me think about spending some money on the system.

                          I usually think better of it, but I might have never gone towards Nikon as my primary system had lenses like this one hit the market a couple years ago. I know I was not who Oly was looking to sell to, but this is just a very nice looking little lens.

                          I have never been happy with the performance of the fast normal zooms available for my camera (the Nikkor is overpriced and not much better than the very meh Sigma, although Tamron's has always been tempting), so I cover the middle with a couple fast primes, but man a lens in this zoom range would be convenient. You m4/3 users appear graced by this lens. Issues with the 12-60 aside, this new lens really appears to be great.
                          ~Reggie

                          Nikon D3s | D500 | Nikkor 300mm f/4 PF | Tamron 10-24 f/3.5-4.5 | 70-200 f/2.8 G2 | Sigma 50 f/1.4 Art | 500mm f/4 Sport

                          Panasonic GX8 | GF3 | 20 f/1.7 II | 12-35 f/2.8

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                          • #28
                            Re: Comparing the new 12-40 Pro with the 12-60 SWD on an E-M1

                            Thanks for this thread, Ian. It does seem on the face of it that there is not too much to differ between the lens, apart from the obvious max zoom capability. However, having just bought the EM1 and a MMF 3 I was able to see first hand what the focusing capabilities of the combination is with my 12-60 SWD and 50-200 SWD. I found that in low light conditions there was some hunting around before final focus lock which was a bit disappointing. Also I was not aware that auto focusing (very useful when videoing), that is available with MFT lens, is not available with FT lens which is quite a consideration when deciding which lens to buy. Also, I think the weight and size of the 12-60 tends to affect the overall balance of the EM1 and I therefore think the 12-40 will be my preferred lens for the future and keep the 50-200 until the new MFT 40-150 becomes available.

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