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Re: What happened with GH2 vs E-M5 samples?

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DPR - RAW - base ISO - in-studio samples confirm what JPEG samples showed.

GH2 gives better details at base ISO.

Base ISO - dpreview in-studio tool - RAW - E-M5 (200) vs GH2 (160) details comparison.

E-M5 sample on the left - GH2 sample on the right.





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Could somebody download process and convert ISO 12800 - RAW images from dpreview in-studio samples of E-M5 and GH2 to compare their details?

Thanks in advance,

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Could somebody download process and convert ISO 12800 - RAW images from dpreview in-studio samples of E-M5 and GH2 to compare their details?

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Ed, below you find the ISO 12800 files, converted in RawTherapee at „default“ setting

http://www.kinotechnik.edis.at/pages...0021_mige0.jpg
http://www.kinotechnik.edis.at/pages...2800_mige0.jpg
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Ed, below you find the ISO 12800 files, converted in RawTherapee at „default“ setting

http://www.kinotechnik.edis.at/pages...0021_mige0.jpg
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I'll proceed.

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Ed, below you find the ISO 12800 files, converted in RawTherapee at „default“ setting

http://www.kinotechnik.edis.at/pages...0021_mige0.jpg
http://www.kinotechnik.edis.at/pages...2800_mige0.jpg

DPR - RAW - ISO 12800 - in-studio samples comparison.

E-M5 provides more and better details at ISO 12800 in my opinion.

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ISO 12800 - dpreview in-studio tool - RAW - E-M5 vs GH2 details comparison.

E-M5 sample on the left - GH2 sample on the right.





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Re: What happened with GH2 vs E-M5 samples?

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DPR - RAW - ISO 12800 - in-studio samples comparison.

E-M5 provides more and better details at ISO 12800 in my opinion.

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ISO 12800 - dpreview in-studio tool - RAW - E-M5 vs GH2 details comparison.

E-M5 sample on the left - GH2 sample on the right.





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Yes, definitely better.
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Re: What happened with GH2 vs E-M5 samples?

It seems that some customers are already receiving their E-M5 units in Japan.

If any of those lucky independent members happen to have access also to a GH2, we would appreciate if they could post real world, handheld comparative samples using the same lens, to perform some details comparison analysis that could help anybody to have more and better information.

Thanks in advance,

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DPR - RAW - ISO 12800 - in-studio samples comparison.

E-M5 provides more and better details at ISO 12800 in my opinion.

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Interesting things appearing when converted to BW (plus normalizing) :




interesting - and not easily seen in the crops -
- these flecks aren't spread over the image equally - possibly this might be related to temperature spreading within the sensor ? anybody who can comment on that ?

For overall comparison, I did the BW conversion (plus normalization) for the full pix as well:

EM-5 :
http://www.kinotechnik.edis.at/pages...e0_BW_norm.jpg

GH2 :
http://www.kinotechnik.edis.at/pages...e0_BW_norm.jpg

no doubt that the OM-D_5 exhibits way less of such artifact.
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Re: What happened with GH2 vs E-M5 samples?

Technically, these very high ISO tests are interesting but are they that realistic in general terms, how many people are going to use ISO 12800.

I also think that continually comparing the EM-5 with the Panasonic GH2 which is 2010 technology is a tad unfair. There is a GH2 replacement due this year and that in my opinion should be the one to compare. My guess is it will be one step ahead of Olympus as Panasonic always seem to be. So if the Olympus has the edge over the Panny at ISO 12800 its going to be the better camera! Hmmm.

Having said that, its quite amazing to see just how good the GH2 was when it came out and 2 years down the road and its still hard to beat. On most tests I have seen so far on various sites, the Olympus is not standing head and shoulders above the GH2.
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Re: What happened with GH2 vs E-M5 samples?

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For overall comparison, I did the BW conversion (plus normalization) for the full pix as well:

EM-5 :
http://www.kinotechnik.edis.at/pages...e0_BW_norm.jpg

GH2 :
http://www.kinotechnik.edis.at/pages...e0_BW_norm.jpg

no doubt that the OM-D_5 exhibits way less of such artifact.
Something is happening with GH2 sample. No problem with E-M5 sample.

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Technically, these very high ISO tests are interesting but are they that realistic in general terms, how many people are going to use ISO 12800.

I also think that continually comparing the EM-5 with the Panasonic GH2 which is 2010 technology is a tad unfair. There is a GH2 replacement due this year and that in my opinion should be the one to compare. My guess is it will be one step ahead of Olympus as Panasonic always seem to be. So if the Olympus has the edge over the Panny at ISO 12800 its going to be the better camera! Hmmm.

Having said that, its quite amazing to see just how good the GH2 was when it came out and 2 years down the road and its still hard to beat. On most tests I have seen so far on various sites, the Olympus is not standing head and shoulders above the GH2.
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Pete,

I have to agree with every single sentence, since I have posted all the same conclusions in previous posts either here or at DPR forums.

And the only reason to perform comparative analysis now is because GH2 is present benchmark for m43 bodies, when E-M5 marketing almost claimed it became the new one, which has not been proved so far.

It exists also the pending discussion about if E-M5 ISOs are the same as other cameras ISOs.

But more important than that and that's why I do not like this sort of purist’s in-studio ceteris-paribus tests. In real world you use the cameras as a whole, with IBIS or OIS on, 100% handheld in my case and also in normal amateur people cases, most of the time aiming to non static subjects where real AF delivery is far more important than ISO, and where you normally let the camera decide which ISO it needs to provide you a "keeper" (you just set the maximum acceptable for your needs).

In that real world, some cameras, due to its better all-around performance, could provide a totally focused and clear image at a lower ISO than the one E-M5 needs to do the same, providing you in consequence a more detailed real-world image.

But the only irrefutable conclusion so far, is that at base ISO, which is the one that provides the maximum possible details in any camera, GH2 produced more and better details than E-M5.

Ed

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