I see what you are saying. Is the E-3 the L-10 equivalent? I thought the E3 was Oly's high end camera and the L-10 is a low to med end camera? I thought the Oly version was the E-330 that the L10 is based on? That is what Simon Joinson said of DPreview.com in his preview of the L-10. I am sure if this is the case, you are right the E3 and the L10 have different processing engines.
I see what you are saying. Is the E-3 the L-10 equivalent? I thought the E3 was Oly's high end camera and the L-10 is a low to med end camera? I thought the Oly version was the E-330 that the L10 is based on? That is what Simon Joinson said of DPreview.com in his preview of the L-10. I am sure if this is the case, you are right the E3 and the L10 have different processing engines.
The E-3 has some similarities with the L10; it's reasonably certain that the sensor is closer to the L10's than to the previous E-410 and 510 models (basically the same pixel count, but improved sensitivity by shrinking the wiring around the photosites) and of course both are the top of their respective brand ranges. But apart from that, they are in quite different markets and mechanically, the L10 is a close relative of the E-410/510, not the E-3.
The L10 is not related to the E-330; I think you mean the L1. Both the E-330 and Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 share the same chassis with the Porro-style sideways reflex mirror and viewfinder. The L10 is much more conventional and shares the same mirror box, finder and shutter as the E-410.
In the L10 and E-510 and E-410 image comparisons I have done so far, the image processing artefacts of the L10 are quite different to the others.
In the L10 and E-510 and E-410 image comparisons I have done so far, the image processing artefacts of the L10 are quite different to the others.
Ian
Ian,
I think you want to compare RAW output between the Olys and the L10 to determine whether the underlying hardware is substantially different or not. The problem will be finding RAW support for the L10 other than what Panasonic puts in the box right now.
As an interesting aside, I am using a now "oldisch" E-300, but always do anything serious in RAW. This allows me "upgrade" my old files to the latest image processing technology. I recently got a Capture One 3.7 LE license and the latest Master 2. Compared to the Master 1, the ACR 3.7 (awful reds from E-300 files), which I used earlier and in Camera processing, these two work real marvels. Shooting RAW allows you to benefit from the latest advances in profiling and processing algorithms, even when using an older camera. After seeing this, I think to much emphasis is placed on the performance of the in-camera JPEG engine. I clearly came to view that these shouldn't be used by anyone serious about photography.
The support shown by Olympus to users of their older products by giving Master 2 away free of charge is something I really hold in favour of Olympus. I also notice a significant improvement in stability when upgrading Master from 2.03 to 2.04.
Your right, I was reading the preview and was scanning through it and picked up the E-330 but when I looked back at it, the sentence before mentioned the L1. Sorry about that. Thanks for catching that and maybe I will read a little slower next time.
I think you want to compare RAW output between the Olys and the L10 to determine whether the underlying hardware is substantially different or not. The problem will be finding RAW support for the L10 other than what Panasonic puts in the box right now.
As an interesting aside, I am using a now "oldisch" E-300, but always do anything serious in RAW. This allows me "upgrade" my old files to the latest image processing technology. I recently got a Capture One 3.7 LE license and the latest Master 2. Compared to the Master 1, the ACR 3.7 (awful reds from E-300 files), which I used earlier and in Camera processing, these two work real marvels. Shooting RAW allows you to benefit from the latest advances in profiling and processing algorithms, even when using an older camera. After seeing this, I think to much emphasis is placed on the performance of the in-camera JPEG engine. I clearly came to view that these shouldn't be used by anyone serious about photography.
The support shown by Olympus to users of their older products by giving Master 2 away free of charge is something I really hold in favour of Olympus. I also notice a significant improvement in stability when upgrading Master from 2.03 to 2.04.
Your right, I was reading the preview and was scanning through it and picked up the E-330 but when I looked back at it, the sentence before mentioned the L1. Sorry about that. Thanks for catching that and maybe I will read a little slower next time.
No problem - I get caught out like this all the time!
After reading your post, I see why you were so defensive with Olympus, you obviously use their cameras. I am not completely brand conscience, I do have Panasonics because I like how they work, the craftsmanship of the cameras and the wonderful Leica lenses and the sharpness of the pics I get from them. I never have been that much on noise because as you said you can shoot raw and I have never had any problems taking out most of the noise. I am curious, I got the email sent to me and did all it asked and signed up and registered, it knows me when I put my name and password in. Did I miss something?
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