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    Re: Comparing the Digital Zuiko 50-200 old and new

    Quote Originally Posted by samxxz View Post
    Of course if does. Do you remember I was questioning his honesty and was looking for holes in his story? [in reference to me saying it doesn't matter if the shipping company damaged the package or if the merchant did]
    (a) Why would the merchant damage it? This seems only possible if the merchant did so on-purpose, as I've never heard of anyone damaging something accidentally upon receiving it in a box (especially if it is properly packaged. (b) It doesn't matter from his pov, because either way, it is the seller's fault for not delivering it in the upgraded manner that the buyer had specifically paid for.

    I don't see any hole in the story there. It seems clear to me that all the buyer was saying is that the local merchant held onto the package for whoever it belonged to.

    You know sellers can't leave neg anymore, so, not all bad buyers can be identified.
    Well, they can still have strikes against them; I believe sellers can set terms in their sale where any bids from buyers with strikes can be discarded (that may even be an option to check off).

    I do agree that the eBay system can be improved; but it isn't horrible as-is. It has served me, mostly a buyer, and many sellers just acceptably. It could be improved by: (a) Allowing sellers to leave negative feedback against buyers for say not paying, pending a time to allow the buyer to provide evidence as to why; (b) Not showing either feedback until both buyer and seller leave feedback, thus preventing feedback extortion. Also, neither side should be able to get feedback from the other without leaving it (i.e., the system holds feedback left for you until you leave feedback for the other side).

    If it's a domestic sale, I agree the buyer's obligation stops at paying on time. But there are always customs/long delays involved in international sale. If a buyer takes advantage of the law of their country, on some of my honest mistake, I will lose my merchandise.
    That may be an argument against shipping internationally in general, although fortunately many do ship internationally, thus furthering the extent of the free market. However, it doesn't really apply in this particular case. The main thing here was eBay's decision.

    I was not saying that THAT seller doesn't deserve punishment. But if I was the buyer in this case, I would still offer the seller a partial payment, no matter how he treated me, or I would lose sleep at night. I might keep the money with some regret but I would certainly not happily announce it to the world that I have created an imaginary fund for my photo gear. That reminds me of watching a villain in a movie showing how gracious he is.
    Well, I don't see why he should offer partial payment for something he didn't request. If his story is true, it is very clear that the seller was trying to pull one over on him. Instead, the seller lost. Good. I wouldn't lose sleep over that, provided I'd asked for a refund upon return and been turned down, and provided I had no reason to think it was an honest mistake.

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    Re: Comparing the Digital Zuiko 50-200 old and new

    I still find this guy's behaviour strange. In nearly 28,000 posts on this forum the sum total of his five contributions has been to accuse a complete stranger of dishonesty and deceit in a situation he freely admits to having only one side of. Oh well, I understand that this is sometimes the price we have to pay for participating publics forums.

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    Re: Comparing the Digital Zuiko 50-200 old and new

    And you may also found that I created this ID just to reply to your posts. It's your fictional fund that irritated me. So I do not have the right to speak up? You should feel honored that I spend time on you. hehe

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    Re: Comparing the Digital Zuiko 50-200 old and new

    I think you now understand my points. I don't expect you to agree with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by dh003i View Post
    (a) Why would the merchant damage it? This seems only possible if the merchant did so on-purpose, as I've never heard of anyone damaging something accidentally upon receiving it in a box (especially if it is properly packaged. (b) It doesn't matter from his pov, because either way, it is the seller's fault for not delivering it in the upgraded manner that the buyer had specifically paid for.

    I don't see any hole in the story there. It seems clear to me that all the buyer was saying is that the local merchant held onto the package for whoever it belonged to.



    Well, they can still have strikes against them; I believe sellers can set terms in their sale where any bids from buyers with strikes can be discarded (that may even be an option to check off).

    I do agree that the eBay system can be improved; but it isn't horrible as-is. It has served me, mostly a buyer, and many sellers just acceptably. It could be improved by: (a) Allowing sellers to leave negative feedback against buyers for say not paying, pending a time to allow the buyer to provide evidence as to why; (b) Not showing either feedback until both buyer and seller leave feedback, thus preventing feedback extortion. Also, neither side should be able to get feedback from the other without leaving it (i.e., the system holds feedback left for you until you leave feedback for the other side).



    That may be an argument against shipping internationally in general, although fortunately many do ship internationally, thus furthering the extent of the free market. However, it doesn't really apply in this particular case. The main thing here was eBay's decision.



    Well, I don't see why he should offer partial payment for something he didn't request. If his story is true, it is very clear that the seller was trying to pull one over on him. Instead, the seller lost. Good. I wouldn't lose sleep over that, provided I'd asked for a refund upon return and been turned down, and provided I had no reason to think it was an honest mistake.

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    Re: Comparing the Digital Zuiko 50-200 old and new

    I don't know. Many of us would consider setting up an ID to respond to a specific message or person as very bad taste or dishonesty. I'm not accusing you of that certainly. I'm expressing a common online pov. A couple of questions, which can be answered or not, without prejudice. Are you the original seller of this thread (the one in the UK)? I doubt it, but hey? Have you recently lived in the Dallas, texas area? What do you know about translating Chinese restaurant menu items into English?

    Steve aka Fluffy

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    Re: Comparing the Digital Zuiko 50-200 old and new

    Don't feed the troll


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    Re: Comparing the Digital Zuiko 50-200 old and new

    I don't gt the feeling samxxz is a troll? Or were you referring to me ?

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    Re: Comparing the Digital Zuiko 50-200 old and new

    Quote Originally Posted by fluffy View Post
    I don't gt the feeling samxxz is a troll? Or were you referring to me ?
    It was a joke, more than anything, but to join to accuse an established and respected member of the forum a lying cheater, kind of trollish. Just sayin. But it was also a good excuse to post that picture.
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    Re: Comparing the Digital Zuiko 50-200 old and new

    In related news, this is why I use UPS. within minutes of delivery I can go online and see the signature left for any package that requires someone to sign for. They also don't give my package to random people, and stand behind what they do. I look for sellers that use UPS.
    Last edited by ReggieB; 15th February 2009 at 02:01 AM.
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    Re: Comparing the Digital Zuiko 50-200 old and new

    But that is the advantage of the two of you........ (living in the US)

    I think this newbe went out of bounds to speak in golfing terms.
    This is not the propper way of treating respected forum members.
    Maybe it is something for Ian to deal with.......

    Some weeks ago I bought a RB67 on Ebay. Paid with a dutch PayPal and requested them to send it to my step-doughter in CA. They send it to Holland: took a little while, stayed a couple of days at dutch customs but arrived safely at my home where my ex-wife picked it up.
    No problem.

    Peter

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